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Thursday, March 10, 2016

At the Tavern with a Trump Supporter


It is easy to communicate with a Trump supporter, you just have imagine they have a gun pointed at your head, and listen, and don't forget to breathe. Breathe. 


This is a double weblog post. See below: Arrest him now! Trump inciting violence in early 2016; the outrage. 2019: Too late.

3/5/2016


I sat next to a Trump supporter the other night. He was past the time of several beers before coming to the bar. It showed in the noticeable head turn when the eyes follow the chin’s direction by a ¼ second. But he concluded our 15 or twenty minutes on politics with “I’ve never enjoyed talking politics with anyone before.”


I was patient with him because I knew how much he had drank. He was 33 years old. He had been truck driving for a long time.He had owned a nice Peterbilt until it was repossessed. He was driving oil deliveries up and down the east coast. He told of driving 24 hours plenty of times. He described a route from Connecticut to Florida that he made twice weekly.


When I asked him the obvious I was not surprised by his first response: “He’s tough on them all.”


When I let him elaborate he got to his own economics rather quickly.


“I drive a truck. We need better pay. You know much we have to pay?”


I empathised outwardly. “I’m a self retired Master Plumber (yada yada yada).”  My long tough and hard days of work and so on.


His first example after the obvious “How do you mean?” Was a bureaucratic snafus in which he had to annually report his health and sends that into a State office and it had failed twice according to their records. He was pissed at the injury. It was a slight. It was his analogy to government in general. That was clear. Objectively; his principal reference to analogize what was wrong with government was his experience with being delayed his licence registration by a small state managed bureau of code enforcement for long haul truck drivers.


I told how our government grows and gets better where it is allowed by congress.


I offered him the possibility that if Donald Trump gets in he might act on all of that angry talk at China and start our first international trade fight in a long time. I offered the question of “Do you think he’ll not want bills that restrict imports rather abruptly? He wants powerful change and he’ll want something does allot and faster than your average federal trade legislation. What would happen to all those trucking jobs when imported good slow down? Are you ready for that heavily impacting industry change that will probably effect you? How many trucker’s jobs do you think might be lost?”


I also offered the following and it was responded to with “I hadn’t thought about that like that.”:


“You know government should not be run like it were a corporation or a for profit business, because people have to come before profits and people are after shareholders and executive pay and sheer profits before people almost all of the time in a business.”


He agreed and was rubbing his chin and nodding.


It’s important to note that I was patiently aware of getting his goat. Anyone drinking and talking politics requires a careful touch. Use this advice please, guys.


By the end of that conversation I learned pretty much nothing new. I did validate that Trump’s supporters are the same people I met regularly as a professional plumbing and heating professional. Sometimes crawling on my belly up to them to meet for the first time underneath some old house in a city, next to a rat carcass while stirring up soil that had not been disturbed since DDT was in used in most household extermination. Beyond this story: I only watched a woman undress in clear view once in all those years. Your plumber is not getting lucky with people who are at home in the day. Well . . there was this young hispanic television reporter who I wished had  . . . I was married.


I let him know that by my information Donald Trump will never and did not ever have to begin under household economies like he and I did. He agreed and it was a thought he had never heard. He cashed out at the bar twice and stumbled out after about an hour. He had beautiful images of his red Peterbilt dumping aluminum at an Alcoa plant. Gorgeous.


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Here’s the take:  If these guys were fought for with intents and even rhetoric that supported the very low income, say prior to talking about health insurance (complicated) back in 08’ then him and I would not have had much to talk about. I’m not casting backseat driver complaints about president Obama but and in defense of getting things done in D.C. I have ask everyone to consider; Doing that in 08 and even in 12 would have been very socialist of him. The opposition environment was throwing tea parties and talking about literally throwing the bums out. The health insurance industry was playing games while peeing their pants at the thought of nationalized health care financing. This president was almost lucky enough to get us long overdue health insurance policy as comprehensive as the Affordable Care Act was. Never mind drastic labor movements after about 400 years of adapting to overseas markets.


Also in defense; My new buddy had never ever voted in his life and was swearing he was going to this year. This can be assumed: he also has not expressed a political view as communication with government. Sure, he’s had to deal with those licensing agencies. He’s communicated, he has expressed this tavern viewpoint and venting many times before, I am sure. But this time he’ll have to do a municipal thing and deal with that bureaucracy again. So the Democrats on the left had not heard from him. In his past he has not communicated to government. No one from a news service poll has called him in all of his life. He has never held a protest sign. He does not like his relationships with bureaucracies.


The federal government really has no good public policy cheerleaders anymore. Back in the good old days, it made educational films for us to watch in school as a captive audience of learning minds in submission to authority. We saw great looking government employees doing great and pioneering things. We get enough of that now from private industry constantly showing off their pride at almost every commercial break. He’s not just a Trump supporters he the typically denied their fair shake. He’s a to be expected in any national political policy frequent visitor to history.

~~~~~~ A double: Trump Publicly Inciting Violence.

Update post February, 2019: Too late:
With a typo; typical. in 2016, he finally got my goat.


I do not know if he would use violence against someone else also angry about the behavior of businesses and bureaucrats if he were at a Trump rally. He might.


Trump image caption: “I would have kicked the hell out of him, I tell you.” And: “Back in the old days people as meetings like this would have . .  . him.”


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James Gray Mason / End All Suffering

8/12/2016:

It has become far worse. The incitement of violence is multiple times now. The United States Justice Department seems to be allowing this continue. I am disgusted with him and every single person who finds him to be a solution.


#USSS #USAG ARREST HIM NOW!!!


Dearest Madam Attorney General, Mrs. Loretta Lynch,

How can you let this continue? This is the second clear incitement of violence from this man. If you think that no one will be harmed or killed from this public diatribe, that is wrong. Millions are listening. Someone today will likely hurt or kill someone else because of his incitement. Please do something. He must be arrested and lead from Trump Tower in handcuffs for all to see. Please allow justice to be an example for our young people. Please. 

" . . . and that would be a horrible day." That clinched it. Not a doubt he was talking about NRA assholes killing our president.


#endallsuffering #stopallsuffering #donaldJTrump #potus-shaft #IncitementofViolence #Justice4All #timetravelwish #UnitedStates #USJD #USAG #JamesGrayMason #Sol3 #JM A#1 #USAElections #diagnosetrump #ManyPeopleSay

This type of horrific crap is now all over the internet. Thanks Donald. If you had been a physician you would have violated the hippocratic oath, about a thousand times: Doing more harm than good for your constituents, your patients. 

A November, 2015 demonstration from a wise liberal: Cenk Uygur of the famed #theYoungTurks.


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How disgusting are we? How ignorant and hateful are Americans at this time? Very disgusting. Very hateful and ignorance precedes that hate. A hateful lawn statue was addressed by a muslim neighbor with a request to instruct that hateful neighbor in what he may not know about Islam and Muslims. Jeez. But he got stabbed for his approach of communication offering education. Hate crimes and violence against Muslims is way up in the United States. That asshole Donald J. Trump shares responsibility for making it far more acceptable to publicly hate them. Because he wanted to earn votes.
From CAIR: http://www.cair.com/press-center/press-releases/13420-cair-chicago-invites-peoria-homeowner-with-anti-muslim-display-to-visit-mosque-learn-about-islam.html
#Hate #ignorance #StupidAmericans #UglyAmericans #Religiousintolerance #CAIR #endallsuffering



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5/28/2016

*Demagogue*: Straight out! But first: A question for us: Should we *now trust* the torch bearing mob? Answer this yourselves.

noun  dem·a·gogue \ˈde-mə-ˌgäg\

Simple Definition of demagogue:

: a political leader who tries to get support *by making false claims and promises and using arguments based on emotion rather than reason*

His opponent called him a bigoted demagogue.

<that politician is just a demagogue who preys upon people's fears and prejudices>


~~~~~

Para from The Atlantic's, Megan Garber:

"In Greece, the demagogue was not just a leader of people, but a leader who led, specifically, *by bullying/cajoling/converting charisma into influence.* He was a populist who appealed, in particular, to the lower classes."

And: 

"And it is enabled not just by TV and Twitter and a cultural environment that converts human charisma into mass media, but by our political system itself."


~~~~


Michael Gerson, Opinion, the Washington Post:

“They are applying Trump like a wrecking ball against the old political order. And it clearly does not matter to them if their instrument is *qualified, honest, stable, knowledgeable, ethical, consistent or honorable.”*


And:

“Democracy is producing a genuine threat to the American form of self-government. Trump imagines leadership as pure act, freed from reflection and restraint. He has expressed disdain for religious and ethnic minorities. He has proposed restrictions on press freedom and threatened political enemies with retribution. He offers himself as the embodiment of the national will, driven by an intuitive vision of greatness. None of this is hidden.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-is-the-demagogue-that-our-founding-fathers-feared/2016/03/10/58584278-e6df-11e5-b0fd-073d5930a7b7_story.html


December, 15, 2015: Opinion; the Washington Post; YAMICHE ALCINDOR:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/28/us/politics/donald-trump-bernie-sanders-debate.html?action=click&contentCollection=us&module=NextInCollection&region=Footer&pgtype=article&version=newsevent&rref=collection%2Fnews-event%2Felection-2016


BTW: I loathe the New York Times for instigating the #IraqWar. I feel they have never met justice for their behavior. The 1st Amendment is not an escape clause from civil responsibility.


“Democracy is producing a genuine threat to the American form of self-government. Trump imagines leadership as pure act, freed from reflection and restraint. He has expressed disdain for religious and ethnic minorities. He has proposed restrictions on press freedom and threatened political enemies with retribution. He offers himself as the embodiment of the national will, driven by an intuitive vision of greatness. None of this is hidden.”

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/demagogue


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